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April 14, 2020
Ep. 58.- A Chat with Jorge De Moya, Host of Couchdads Podcast

On this week's episode of Kickin' & Streamin' Podcast, Graham and Jocelyn chat with special guest Jorge De Moya on a number of topics ranging from parenting, binge-watching, his love for filmmaking amd producing, and launchin...

On this week's episode of Kickin' & Streamin' Podcast, Graham and Jocelyn chat with special guest Jorge De Moya on a number of topics ranging from parenting, binge-watching, his love for filmmaking amd producing, and launching his brand new podcast Couchdads Podcast. Jorge DeMoya is the marketing director and social media content manager for Flint Stone Media & associated with the Florida Podcasting Network. A background in video production and entertainment business Jorge has worked on TV shows and film sets for The OWN network and created 90 Miles Media, a small video production company focused on creating social media content for brands and non-profits. Jorge is an avid dad of 3, a husband, a sports and hockey fan and a big time movie geek. He uses all these things to dive deep into the world of podcasting with his own podcast, The CouchDads Podcast. If you like this episode, please rate us on your podcast player, and subscribe for future episodes. Subscribe to our YouTube channel, follow us on social media on Faceboook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pinterest. You can also support the show by becoming a Patron on our Patreon page where you'll become eligible for our exclusive patrons-only contents. Finally, we'd like you to visit our merchandise store on Teespring where you can purchase our beautiful and stylish t-shirts, pullover, and mug. 


Announcer:   0:00
This'll is kicking and screaming Podcast of Binge Watcher's Guide to Streaming Movies. TV series on stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn  

Graham:   0:16
Couch. Dad's is with us today, so let's just go ahead and get on started. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode off kicking and screaming. My name is Graham and of course with me is my favorite co-host. Her name is JoJo.  

Jocelyn:   0:35

Graham:   0:37
And it is a special day because we don't normally, even though we don't normally have, would frequently have guests. But what? We have guests. We have very special guests in today. I am proud to have on the other side, my friend, whom I met on during Podfest. We have Jorge de Moya with us today. Hello, George.

Couch Dad:   1:05
Hello, everybody. It's a pleasure to be here, really looking forward to talking to you guys about a few things that we're streaming as one of the couch Dad's Yes. Oh, I come to you from the couch, Dad's pod cast and I'm really excited to be a part of the kicking'and streamin' and team.

Jocelyn:   1:23
Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you very much for that, mate. And, uh so let's let's go over you bio a little bit because you are an interesting dude, which is which is fantastic. So you are currently a marketing director and social media content manager for Flintstone Media, and you are associated with the Florida podcasting network. That's that's a hell of a title. The social media content manager and marketing director. So describe what that work entails.  

Couch Dad:   2:01
Yeah,absolutely so with Flintstone Media. We are in charge of the Florida podcasting network that has over five podcast that are based it within Florida. But we also have clients. Aside from that and what we do influence So media is that we're a full podcasting. Suite. So we take a podcast idea from its nuts and bolts, and we build it up. And then we work its way up all the way to branding, to marketing sponsorship and creating social media content that would help supplement the podcast. So Facebook lives live events, video production, behind it, video events, audio grams, you name it we create it. We have a team of editors myself, Jimmy, who is a phenomenal, phenomenal person. She is the creator and owner of Flintstone Media and the Florida Podcasting Network and you know she's created networks like Horse Radio Network with Glenn and is also creating the wedding business at work with Andy up in New York. So she just is a phenomenal person to work with. And those were the kind of things that we do is that I'm a part of as the marketing director. So I'm in charge of marketing all the different podcasts that are under those labels, as well as new clients, bringing them in and finding their niche markets.

Graham:   3:28
Wow, that I tell you, too, that I don't know about Jocelyn, but I never knew that there was actually so much that much work involved in podcasting and like I mean, I've seen podcasting networks all over the place, but I didn't know that that's part of the job and that it until so much. What do you think, Jojo?

Jocelyn:   3:53
Yeah, I I was not aware that and kind of feel like a this point that it's There were traffic. I should go out and walk into the middle of the street.  

Couch Dad:   4:01
but luckily there was traffic, so that leaves you. And to be clear sometimes, Ah, lot of the clients that we get our people that have a brand already. And they're just they wanna use a podcast to supplement that brand too. So, you know, we help a lot of brands kind of delve into the new podcasting world. So folks like yourselves and myself with couch dads were kind of just doing it on our own without any kind of help. We're branding everything ourselves, and we're doing it because we love it.

Graham:   4:41
Yes, so, you

Couch Dad:   4:42
know, that's that's also a part of it.

Graham:   4:44
Yeah. I mean, if I if I I don't know if I were a lawyer or something like that, I would wanna have a podcast, but probably to talk about, you know, stupid crimes and stuff like that. But, you know, brands are really getting into into podcasting. I was in my car today in Listening on NPR and they said something about one of the supermarket chains has a podcast like I'm curious. Well, who's Aldi? Is it Aldi, Jocelyn?

Couch Dad:   5:16
I know. But I do know that Trader Joe's has  

Graham:   5:22
Trader Joe's. That's exactly yes, yes.  

Jocelyn:   5:25
That's Who is gonna be my just my choice without knowing I was like, of all of them, I feel like it would be a greater Joe's, but just

Couch Dad:   5:33
as a podcast that my wife listens to because she'll get her her tips and recipes from there.

Graham:   5:38
Oh, that was gonna be my question, though. Like what? What? What? What? What? What do they talk about? That he took of a price that they took about why it is. But there's a recipe that he count me, and I'm gonna start listening to it.

Couch Dad:   5:53
Recipe, Use new products. You know, if something's coming in that seasonal, you know, bring that in like a pumpkin bisque soup that they put out right around fall and automatically. You know, my wife was like, I am buying this. So she waited for the launch date, and then she went over to Trader Joe's and Got, and it was delicious.

Graham:   6:17
Oh, yeah. Amen. Hey, kudos to your wife mate e

Couch Dad:   6:26
have couched as podcast. But let's be honest, she runs the house.

Graham:   6:30
Yeah, that's all we have left is doing the podcasting, man because they and so continue what? You bio man, you also. You have a background in video production and entertainment business. You graduate of. You went to college right there. Where you live in Florida?

Couch Dad:   6:57
I went to full sail University up in Orlando, Florida on I got my bachelor's in film production. I did my masters and entertainment business. You and I have, ah, you know, a small video production company now that I created a couple years ago called 90 Miles Media, where we focus on creating social media content for brands, nonprofits, PSAs, You know, things like that or cover events. And I've worked in film production for 15 plus years. I've done are on array of projects. You know, I would. I would like to say that I am a blue collar film production guy because I've worked on projects that never saw the light of day projects that, uh, ended up on the Oprah Winfrey Now work on the own network on Hulu. You know, and we've worked too low budget. We've worked high, you know, big budget, like Michael Bay commercials in Miami. So I've done a little bit of everything, which and I never left to l. A. Because I have too much ties to being a family man. I'm an avid dad of three. I love my wife and I. That was What was important to me was never about moving to L. A. But I love doing video production, working on film sets, so I just I never got the itch, you know, to leave to the West Coast. I just stayed here and focused on family. And I am did what I loved. Aside from that, no, there next to that.

Graham:   8:32
The important thing is to be doing what you love, regardless of where you are. I mean, you know, not everybody has that kind of fortune, isn't it? Isn't it?  

Couch Dad:   8:42
Oh, no, absolutely. I mean, it's just I had somebody friends. When we 1st 1 finished graduating, the a bunch of them went to L. A. Many of them returned. Some ended up doing something slightly different, and some ended up doing very well for themselves and ended up doing music videos, directing music videos for bad bunny, you know? So I mean

Couch Dad:   9:04
There's variation of people that I went to school with and what they're doing now. So,

Graham:   9:10
you know, I suppose the major question is, are they as happy and fulfilled as you may be? Right?

Couch Dad:   9:19
I I've kept in contact with a bunch of them, and I would say Absolutely, you know, whatever it is that they video production overall, there's so many degrees of it. It's not just Hollywood. It's not just big budget movies, you know, there's so many ways you can take it. A buddy of mine became a famous photographer for bars and for bartending drinks, and, you know, he gets featured in bartending magazines, you know, so you never know what life will take. You bored life will take you after college. College is just the first star.

Graham:   9:54
So that's the guy that makes those mixologists look so glamorous when they're doing the colors. Yes, it makes you wanna feel like, yeah, I wanna work behind the bar and you forget about how stressful in Overworked is that job by what you see them in magazines like that mixing and they always look like you know what does is nice beard like the straight off 19 twenties gentleman Cigar magazine like it's an amazing thing. So if your friend is the one in charge of doing that good,

Couch Dad:   10:35
he's good, is definitely is. He is good and so is the body of mine is directed Bad bunny music videos. He's He's easily one of the best music video directors today. Yeah, I mean so.

Graham:   10:48
Bad more bad bunnies really, really well produced, man. I can watch those every day, and I'm not a Reggaeton music video kind of guy, But bad burning stuff are are worth watching. To tell you the truth, I'm all right. Jocelyn,  Jocelyn, Jocelyn  knows about her Bad Bunny, right?  

Jocelyn:   11:11
Of course!

Graham:   11:20
So, George, don't you you'll podcast is what fascinates me the most in the reason being is because of how you have combined all of what we would talked about already. Your background, your studies, you're all of what you've produced and done in your life. And you incorporate that also in the fact that you are a father and a husband who loves sports, especially hockey. I got a guy from Florida loving hockey is is the thing that we have to talk about. You know, if we were gone from Maryland like Jocelyn, I would have no questions about that, right, But from Florida, many questions

Couch Dad:   12:13
Well, I think that's what I love about podcasting is because I tend to be a different. I tend to be an onion. I um, composed of many layers. So, yes, I am a sports guy and a hockey guy born and raised in Miami. But when it came to hockey, for whatever reason, it was the one sport where a little guy like me, cause I'm not exactly the biggest, could strap on some skates and knocked the heck out of somebody you without it having to be football. And I had I had a little bit more speed because I had skates on. And, you know, I just I enjoyed that from the get go. And I started playing when I was, like, 10. I was saying, I got really good and I played in college. I played in high school on Guy. Still play today and in an adult beer league that hopefully we get back soon.  

Graham:   13:08
Love adult beer leagues.

Couch Dad:   13:10
Yeah. No, it's great. The championship is a trophy is a huge keg, So I mean,

Graham:   13:18
that is true. It is that

Jocelyn:   13:19
I wish I could skate!

Graham:   13:22
 I mean, come on, Jocelyn what

Couch Dad:   13:27
we're gonna have to teach you.

Graham:   13:28
I don't skate, and I've never even tried because I mean, yeah, I'm dude from the Caribbean, and I value my butt too. much, and I know No, I'm gonna be on my ass the first moment I step on the rink. So no, I've never tried, not know interested.

Couch Dad:   13:55
You're mentioning the podcast. So, you know, I have the couch that his podcast that's doing to be launched right now. I'm doing a bunch of binge recordings since we have this quarantine time. So that way, when I do launch, I'll be launching about five episodes all at once.

Graham:   14:12
Okay, So are you. Are you going to do something serial or you're gonna do a You just want to launch with as many episodes as possible, and then you will continue in the like

Couch Dad:   14:22
way. Yeah, that was the goal. Wanted to launch with as many as possible and haven't been like a binge watch. And then I would start a week Weekly podcast? Yeah, the big binge recording I just thought would be a fun thing to do since we had a lot of the down time right now, with everybody, for the most part, staying inside. And, you know, I just thought it was a good launching idea to launch with not just one episode, but I launched with five so hopefully that'll be done next month. We're so it's coming up. Okay,

Graham:   14:56
so we'll be waiting for the lunch. Lunching data. Do you have one? At the moment, you do have a new idea, more or less when those five episodes, because we are going to promote the heck out of them with you.

Couch Dad:   15:09
Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't have a lunch date set, but I do have it set for April. I mean, so it'll be the first couple weeks in April, so I'm pretty close to where the end. I'm recording like one or two more episodes. I already have three or full or in the can. And so once I get a couple more, I'll be, uh, I'll definitely be launching a bulk of those episodes, and it's a fun. It's been fun. It's been a lot of fun recording because we get to talk about Dad life, me being a dad of three, and we get to talk about different things that were dreaming online and how Dad's really don't get to chance to go to the movies. Shot that, and we highlight what we finally get to watch when the kids go to sleep. There's so many times that I'm watching something and I pause as because somebody comes out because they need a glass of water, you know, right in the middle of a really bad scene. So I end up turning off the TV completely.

Graham:   16:14
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember those days, man. I've got going to I'm right at the end off my off My journey won't know at the end but off my journey as a as a young young kids, Dad. But I do remember those times when you know sometimes you watching something and it doesn't even look like it's gonna go there. And the kid is in the room with you and all of a sudden bands, things starting like, let me pause this. Hey, man, you want to go to your room and playing for

Couch Dad:   16:45
exactly? Yeah, you know, it's just like all right, How many times did me and my wife not pause game of Thrones when we're trying to watch it come out for something like, Please, just just goody goody room. It's getting good,

Graham:   17:04
that's that's That's the life it will be. It would be definitely a an interesting podcast to listen to because you've got all of those stories that we can all relate to as as as dads. And, uh, Jocelyn has two nieces that, um when they get together, I know that, you know, it's just, you know, you the fun aunt or no?

Jocelyn:   17:32
I am the funny. Yes, definitely. Yes. I'm I'm Aunt Jo Jo. So I have to be fun.

Graham:   17:42
Yeah. Yeah. So what we want? What do you guys do when you get together? Do they have their agenda for you or,

Jocelyn:   17:53
um, it honestly, it depends. They have very particular ideas about what they like to watch. So the way I've discovered to to start something that isn't going to drive me insane like my little pony, for instance, um, is to is to start ah, something that I that I've seen in the past. Like I got I got them to watch Megamind. But just by starting it, like while I was doing something else and they were all like,

Jocelyn:   18:22
Ah, what is this? Can you start this from the beginning?

Jocelyn:   18:27
I'm like, Yeah, I started from the beginning. So you're kind of not, like, Not like in the sense of oh, God, if I see another Hello? You know, little pony thing. I'm gonna, you know, barf. Which is how I actually feel. But in this, let me just start something different and see if it catches their attention on something that I know I can watch without, you know, dying.  

Graham:   18:50
So George have have yours. Discovered the cartoons that you grew up with so far, like

Couch Dad:   18:57
Oh, yeah. So, you know, with with the ability to stream so much now, it's been a lot of fun for us because we make sure that we introduce a few new things every so often Because if we watch Moana, or Frozen one more time, I mean, that's it. It's over. Let it go. I'm gonna go into the unknown on I'm gonna go out into the water. Whatever it is, I'm gonna be gone.

Graham:   19:23
Can you think? Can you sing the song in your sleep? Now

Couch Dad:   19:28
it's bad. Man is bad when you wake up And the song from last night is in your head And it's one of those songs

Jocelyn:   19:36
I had Mickey Mouse clubhouse in my head for a really long time.  

Couch Dad:   19:42
Yeah, exactly. Doesn't go away.  

Jocelyn:   19:46
Still hop out every so often you can be like Hot Dog, Huh?

Couch Dad:   19:53
Pops it every so often, but no, we we try sometimes. But the kid content is everywhere and they're getting older. So then they start to like newer things also, So you end up with something different every almost every year. They never stick with one thing. Every year there's something new that they get attached to. You know, My daughter went through the my little pony phase, and then it was onto Frozen and Moana. And then it was onto the descendents, which is on on Disney. So there's a lot of there's a lot of music involves in my household. There's a lot of dancing

Graham:   20:36
The dancing,  the dancing, man

Couch Dad:   20:39
I two out of three kids, two of them are girls. So it's like That's just stay just not stopped with dance numbers.

Graham:   20:48
So how frequently do you find yourself at a tea party with two girls? It's

Couch Dad:   20:54
quite a quite a few. I have to be honest, but luckily the tea parties have been less and it's more of a dance parties where I am being Oh yeah, so I'm being yelled at to put on YouTube and to put on like, different music videos. So I happen to be careful which music video put on. Yeah, because they like a particular song. And you know, it's cardi B or whatever. Oh, my, I'm not putting not putting the music video. Yes, yes. So I've found a few kid channels, kid YouTube channels where they will play the Kidz Bop version of already Be and it's kids dancing to it. And I'm like, perfect eyes. There's no way I'm introducing my daughters to cardi B and you know Missy Elliott music right now. Oh, my

Graham:   21:52
God, Yeah, it's It's an amazing thing, because you are. You want them to be entertained. You want them to. You don't want to restrict them completely from from the entertainment at the same time. It's like a little bit of a walk on the neck on eggshells. Oh,

Couch Dad:   22:10
absolutely. You're walking on eggshells constantly with this because there's so much content out there. I mean, just as an example, we took away YouTube from all of our devices because YouTube recently had, and this is not recently while back had an issue where they were putting out some content that It was like an adult or kids playing with certain dolls and certain toys. And they would love these kids, love watching it, and then a minute goes by. And then all of a sudden, the violence factor. The sex factor grew in the video itself on. You know, Anna is drowning Elsa in the video. What, are you kidding? It's so weak. We read up on it. We got involved. We canceled the YouTube from everywhere every device. We completely exit out and went with a kid more of a kid friendly device that they could use. But I mean, that's that was going on for a long time until you to fire only cracked down on it. And if you were, if you find those channels and you can report them and they get fined and they get completely blocked from ever putting up anything ever again,

Graham:   23:28
well, that's that's incredibly bad that that someone would would just decide to put that kind of content to lure kids into watching things that they innocently go into thinking that it it's what you know, some of their favorite cartoons and then just just create all these violent scenes and

Couch Dad:   23:52
Oh, yeah, Absolutely. And I'm I've very involved in that because I come from that kind of background in the entertainment industry. Some was a Web, Ah, lot of things and what they were watching. So I like to share that story because not a lot of us are aware that that is actually out there.

Graham:   24:11
Yeah, I didn't know about these air told. And I have a six almost seven year old granddaughter in the Dominican Republic  who also has a lot of access to to YouTube. And I have sometimes to kind of tell my daughter Hey man, every now and then go ahead and look, you know, look at what she does, what she's watching, you know, because yeah is the Yeah, the content might look innocent enough, but at the end of the day, it's still needs supervision, doesn't it?

Couch Dad:   24:47
Oh, absolutely. And when the kids have the headphones on, think about it. You can't hear the content, it looks innocent. And but what are they talking about? You know, what are they saying? So it's like you said, it's a fine line. There's a line there you gotta be careful with.

Graham:   25:05
Yeah, so we have basically a window into couchdad's podcasts as to as to what we can expect looking forward to it. And like I said, we are going to do our best to to to help you in promoting and and putting it out there and, uh, is all hope that it wouldn't be embraced by our binge watchers. They're

Couch Dad:   25:36
absolutely Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Graham:   25:40
So go moving on into you your background in video production in all of that, we've got a couple of questions that we would like to ask Jocelyn Jocelyn has it right. Johnson, Just Hey, Jocelyn has some very interesting questions that I personally could have never come up with. So we didn't want to get you by surprising or anything about No, no,

Couch Dad:   26:12
no, Please shoot. I'm ready when you are.

Graham:   26:16
So Jocelyn...

Jocelyn:   26:21
Well, um, s o I just do somethings together, but in thinking about in hair and makeup, you know, if you're looking at a star looking normal, you know, like just a regular joe on the street, and you know they're not using prosthetics or anything like that. How long it is that kind of thing. Take and do stars ever do their own, Or is it always a hair and makeup person that does that?

Couch Dad:   26:45
Okay, well, usually you have a hair and makeup person do that, and that will always take just for a basic look like your base. I'm going out and I want to look good on camera. It would take about an hour, No prosthetics or no, nothing crazy like that. But it also depends on the skin tone. So and I bring that up because we had a show that was on the Oprah Winfrey Network and our hand makeup person we would have won for her for hair and makeup on one first as the stylist. Now it was a reality show that was hosted by two people, and one was a former NFL football star who was a wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers, and the other was an actress that was a tiny little white redhead. And you put those two next to each other, and it was like pole polar opposites and the football star. He was extremely dark. He was, you know, just he and he even said it. He goes, Listen, I am darker than you think on camera. I've been on camera before, I know. But so he actually brought his own makeup kit because of certain finishes and certain foundations that he learned after being on a few TV appearances. And he was actually on dancing with the stars back in the day. So he learned, you know, going along. So he brought that with him and then give it to our hair and makeup person and was like, Listen, these are the ones that are gonna work best for me.

Graham:   28:24
I wonder how many trial and errors went there before this guy finally realized

Graham:   28:29
I have to amount?  

Couch Dad:   28:30
Think I'm not sure, But let me tell you, I had the way he tells it his because it was like constantly being offsides and having to go back to the line every single time. So he was just like I had to do something. He goes. I had to do something. I knew where my career was going. I knew that when I was done with football that I was gonna do stuff like this for a little bit. But he knew that he needed help when it came to that, and he went out and he got it. But let me tell you, is adamant about making sure that we used what he brought.

Graham:   29:08
Yeah. You know, you don't want to end up looking like Sammy Sosa up in there. Exactly.

Couch Dad:   29:14
You don't want that. So, you know, for a base. Look, about an hour, depending on the skin tone,

Jocelyn:   29:22
is it? Would it be normal? Like for somebody to bring their own stuff with him? Cause I know you used him as an example. Is that typical? It works with their skin, are. And

Couch Dad:   29:35
and though the it's a collaboration, every little thing on a TV show on a movie set is a collaboration. So then the hair and the makeup person would probably also say, Okay, I see what you brought. I'm gonna try this out for a little bit of a highlight or a little bit of a shadow, you know, because, uh, I want to have a certain look to know. The director is probably going to say, Listen, you know, I need this person to look like X y and Z, right? You know? So I mean, there is that involved when it's a reality show? Sometimes you'll have people just put on their own makeup and they'll say, Go and then. But you'll have somebody there touching up every so often. So, uh, it all depends on you know what we're filming?

Graham:   30:27
Yeah. So Jocelyn Has it ever taken you an hour to two yet? Hair and makeup done?

Jocelyn:   30:34
for myself.  

Graham:   30:35

Jocelyn:   30:36
No,  I don't know if I've ever taken  an hour to do anything.  

Graham:   30:44
It takes me 10 minutes to get a shower. You think? Get hair and makeup.  

Jocelyn:   30:53
Oh, dear eso. Another question I had is Do all the projects that you work on have something like a do not disclose. And if they dio, does everybody have to sign that, you know, thinking of like how spoilers and everything are so prevalent and interviews in the news and that kind of thing, you know, just does everybody have to be involved in the not disclosing of a plot, depending on the project, or is it just the main stars or how does that work?

Couch Dad:   31:27
Well, it works were, for the most part, on a film project or anything, and nd a is done, which is, you know, do not disclose any kind of information and for the most part, everybody has to sign them. If you show up on set and you are the driver of the extras, you're signing a non disclosure. So you know, everybody really does sign them. But there's so many people on a big movie set that all you really have to do is text your buddy who's not on set. You tell them something and being let go ahead and disclose it. But you didn't hear from me, you know, and that's it. And you're like, Oh, did you say anything? No, No, I didn't say anything, But there's been a few situations where, you know, we weren't allowed to post anything. We weren't allowed to talk about anything. And we're had to actually turn in our phones because

Couch Dad:   32:31
one of the projects was a, you know, a specialty project for Lego. And they were putting out this new NASA inspired Lego piece, and that was the product that we're shooting on. So we actually had to turn in our phones on the film set and only stick to walkie talkies. Um, because they were like, you can't. This is a product that hasn't been released yet. It hasn't been featured. It's you know gonna be featured in this commercial, and it's a specific Lego piece, and they were super strict about it. You couldn't have your phone with you. You couldn't take pictures. You couldn't do anything. So it all depends also on the project, somewhere more close knit than others. And you just kind of have toe hope that your spoilers don't get out there. But it's easier for spoilers to get out when it's a bigger project.

Jocelyn:   33:27
Yeah, that makes sense.  

Couch Dad:   33:28
You know, small projects, not it's it's easier to contain,  

Jocelyn:   33:34
I was gonna say to you with smaller projects to is they're probably more repercussions in the sense of Oh, I know that this person has had to be the one that release this information and that would have the repercussion of them probably not being hired for the next job.

Couch Dad:   33:49
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Once a, uh, once you get canned from a particular job, that producer or whoever did the hiring, especially if you're talking local and local, we tend to work with a lot of the same people. And you know, once you do something on one project that doesn't go well and you don't try to atone for it or try to make up for it, for whatever the case may be, because mistakes do happen, you know. But if you do something intentionally to hurt the project than its, you know it can get from one producer to the next. And next thing you know, you're not working anywhere locally for a while.

Graham:   34:31
Yeah, it's kind of

Graham:   34:33
a small niece to a small world, even though there might be, you know, a 1,000,000 people involved in it. But at the end of the day, it's a small network, and everybody knows everybody. But I guess in following up with the NDA's and all of that, I guess my question was, given the fact that most of these bigger, bigger projects are are filmed non-continues or sort of like outside of the order that it will be edited. Does that give the producers and advantage in nor having spoilers out there? Like if they go and filmed, I don't know the end scene right at the beginning of the project, and then they pick it up from the middle and and all of that does that still present the same problem with disclosures and stuff.

Couch Dad:   35:25
Well, the it's not necessarily a problem in that case, when you're when you're shooting or you're filming out of order. The only reason why you should do your film out of order. It depends on the production coordinator, which is something I've done ah, bunch of times before based on scheduling. And it's all about who you got, which actors you have on set for how many days, how long their contract is. And you just go off of that and you just you tear that script apart into many pieces and you shoot on film whatever you can when you can, and then you hope that theater can put it all together at the end S O. If you have a big name actor and he's only available for three days and you have to shoot, you know 60 pages of that main actor and you're a low budget film, let's say you're gonna shoot everything that he's in in those three A's. If he's in the beginning, the end and in the middle, then you're shooting all three of those sections for those three days, and that's it. And then you send him home, and then you'll figure out the rest as you go along. It gets ah, gets a little crazy in that sense. You know,

Graham:   36:37
I can only imagine I don't know that I have the the the attention span for that he  

Couch Dad:   36:43
the the script supervisors, which are the one of the main people that's in charge of making sure that everything is in order in terms of that and their continuity of it. They are easily the most detailed people you'll ever meet on sets at home. There an absolute mess at home makes sense. It's all chaos. But on set, their super detailed, super detail oriented making sure every little piece is perfect. If an actor set a line a particular way in one take, they make sure they say it the same way and another take if they use a different word, you know, I mean, you name it.

Graham:   37:30
Yeah, that sounds like a gig for Jocelyn. I mean, in your television background Jocelyn Didn't you do a bit off that to like, sort of like making sure that when you take a look at the at the stage and then one shot happened in the next time it has to be re taken. Everything had to be right there were left. Right?

Jocelyn:   37:57
Continuity? Yeah,

Couch Dad:   37:58
it's huge

Graham:   38:00
again. I couldn't do that to save my life. Um uh, What was the next question? Jocelyn because this is getting interesting, Man

Jocelyn:   38:11
I think this kind of tired is into into What you were just talking about is how much ad libbing is actually done by any of the actors and how much of it actually makes it into the finished project. Does it depended solely on the director and the producer, or is that more of a editorial decision? How does that go?

Couch Dad:   38:34
Well, it's it's all of the above, Really. It's an editorial decision. It's a depends on the director, and the producer depends on the actor, and it depends on which take was the best. So there's, uh, if you look up on YouTube that I know if you guys are familiar with Mojo, it's ah, popular YouTube channel that is like a movie clips and stuff. Yes, they have one that is, you know, the best ad libbed scenes that actually made it into the movie. It's really interesting to watch and and it all depends on the director, and it all depends on how the scene is going. For instance, um, one of my favorite directors is Kevin Smith, and he jokes. I met him a couple times in Orlando, and he would joke about how he has so much dialogue in his movies that when the actors would try toe do you no ad Libs, he'd tell, like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon be like, Will you stop fucking around and just say it like it is 

Jocelyn:   39:40
Just say the line like I wrote it. For fuck's sake!

Couch Dad:   39:47
It's just too much dialogue, you know!. And it's really funny because he's talking about, you know, from the days of Dogma, when Matt Damon and Ben Affleck word, you know, not huge stars are rising. They weren't huge. And then and then you have a director like Quentin Tarantino who loves it when he just the actors ad lib. And there is a great great scene from Django Unchained. When Leonardo DiCaprio is having his big scene and he smashes his hand on the table, he actually cut his hand. That was not scripted. That was real. He hit the glass by accident and cut his hand, so he was actually bleeding during that take. And he kept going where? Before it got wrapped up, he did actually wipe his own blood.

Graham:   40:46
Oh, my goodness

Couch Dad:   40:47
On, uh, I can't remember her name. She's a phenomenal, phenomenal actress that she was also in and I'm losing her name, but she actually wiped his blood on her face In that scene,

Graham:   41:03
Huh.. look at that!

Couch Dad:   41:03
and I mean, and that's just because you're talking about Quin Tarantino. You're talking about Leonardo DiCaprio role and you're talking about just two of the best that we've seen, you know, that we've ever seen in the game. And he, you know, he kept going. Quentin Tarantino did not cut. He ended up with, like, 15 stitches in his hand after that, you know, it really all depends on the ad libbing. It depends on the situation and and all of that

Graham:   41:45
That's fantastic, man, What you got Jocelyn?

Graham:   41:49
this one was kind of tied into because you'd mentioned when we kind of had before show chat about the Togo movie, which is which is phenomenal. I was curious if you had any idea if you'd worked with If you work to the animals before and if there are a lot of of actors or even crew that attempt to. Adopt some of the animals or buy some of the animals. I know a lot of them are working animals, of course, and would be well out of the range of, say, any normal person's salary. But or if there's ever been somebody that absolutely hated the animal that I had to work with or work, perhaps allergic to it, right?  

Graham:   42:29
That's a good question.  

Couch Dad:   42:30
That's a very good question I have never encountered in my experience, somebody that's like, Hated the animal that they're working with her are allergic to him. I would like to hope that a producer would figure that out beforehand, you know, making sure Like, uh, you know, making sure that, uh, you know, Macaulay Culkin wasn't, you know, actually allergic to the bees and my girl 2 

Couch Dad:   43:01
Oh, you know, I would have had one of the best kid stars of our time. I have never had an actor wanting to adopt or anything like that, either, because the animals that people work with on sets, they're all trained and extremely well trained and a lot of them are actually the same animals in different properties, so the TV show. Friends had a monkey on it

Graham:   43:28
Yeah, Marcel, Marcel was my Boy. Man,

Couch Dad:   43:33
that is the same monkey. The exact same monkey. That was an outbreak.

Graham:   43:38
Oh, really? Yeah. You remember that Jo?

Couch Dad:   43:44
Um, you know, they use a lot of the same trained animals, so that's not even a tighter network. I have had to deal with live animals, which was interesting where we were filming in the Everglades. And we needed to get a scene where a Russian mob boss was getting his arm bitten off by a gator.

Couch Dad:   44:05
So we did not have a trained Gator, nor a trained  Gator handler boys. So we had the guy's arm cut off, and then the fake prosthetic was in, dropped into the pit of a gator's mouth. So we had more the gator to a certain spot. We had one camera on the gator, and then we had one camera on the actors theat actors perform the scene and we, you know, used to cameras to cut in between it.

Graham:   44:40
I would have loved to be their duty.  

Couch Dad:   44:42
Oh, in situations like that, and we're talking low budget, you know, I'm the one luring the gator and nobody else is allowed around.

Graham:   44:57
I'm gonna tell you something if I If I If I world

Couch Dad:   45:00
I have a rope around my waist, just engaged. The gator gets too close to the Yank Me off scream. That's about it. I swear was making it up. What if I'll make it up? I'm not. I wish I was.  

Graham:   45:17
What's your life, insurance man? Oh, my God.  

Jocelyn:   45:26
I don't think you mentioned that when you're buying the policy. Your angle Gators? No, Absolutely. No.

Couch Dad:   45:36
Let's just say, uh I mean, I looked like I should belong at the gator part marked their bagel no beard and vast and khaki shorts that looked like from Crocodile Dundee or

Graham:   45:51
something. That was good. Thio The guy was You could believe him. Absolutely. So we've got more questions. Your d'oh,

Jocelyn:   46:06
Huh? Well, I guess this kind of flows into the er the gator baiting. How often do you use do small accidents happen on set? And I guess that kind of ties into what? The story you mentioned about Django unchained You know how how regularly does that happen? Is that an everyday occurrence, or is it a rare sing? Or  

Couch Dad:   46:29
it's not so much of run everyday occurrence. But let me tell you one of the things that I did when I first starting off is that I would bring a first aid kit with me always. And it was a good first aid kit. Wasn't like one that you buy at the CVS pharmacy or anything. It had a little bit of everything because small accidents happen all the time. You're working with squibs, which are, you know, fake bullets and stuff. And sometimes you get you get hit with one and you end up with a bad bruise or, you know, a stunt goes wrong and there's small accidents that happen in an even on a film set that's like a romantic comedy. Somebody trips going up the stairs Well, you know, and then and they hurt their knee. Or you were an actor or you're an actress and you're under the lights a lot, and you have all these lights around you and they're beaming. And, uh, you're in a nightclub and the lights are going crazy on, you know, Next thing you know, you got a migraine and you just can't kick it, you know? So I would make sure the have stuff that could help when I was first starting out. When it comes to that, because small accidents injuries, you get sick. You know you need to get heartburn, you name it. It's like everyday life. You're there are on a film set 12 to 14 hours a day. You know, you're their majority of your time. You have to have everything at your disposal. And there have been so many accidents on film sets from car chases. Thio, an entire set has collapsed before for fine for final Destination five. I think it was. The entire soundstage collapsed. And there was also the very famous story of Brandon Lee from the crow. Yes, yes. You know that that was to this day. Still just an accident. Whoa. Even though you talked to a lot of, you know, buddies of mine in the film industry, they all say the same thing, that somebody had it out for him, but they never could solve it. So it's still chalked up as accident.

Graham:   48:48
No, that was that, then

Couch Dad:   48:50
it was extremely set. So you have to be prepared for all the small accidents that happen on set and stuff. I mean, you never know. I've I've broken my ankle before on set. So it happens. It just can't do anything about it.  

Jocelyn:   49:08
Hazard pay  

Couch Dad:   49:12
That's why the movie that even the small budgets, that's one of the things that they said They even though if they say small budget chances are it's not necessarily small. Budget is just small budget and paying you because guess what? They got insurance because that's the first thing you gotta chalk off when you're doing your production list. Is can I make sure that my crew is insured? All right, We're good to go because you never know what's gonna happen.

Graham:   49:38
So about a small budget, what is a range for small? Budg... how? When does the movie or Windows or production qualify as the small budget? What?

Couch Dad:   49:51
It all depends. I mean, paranormal activity was made for like, $50,000. Very small budget and paranormal activity made what in, you know, box office, who's frickin millions of dollars. And it was a $50,000 budget. So, you know, small budget really just depends on if you're able to put a crew together and you're able to get it out, you know, you could start with $10,000 an episode for, like a TV show for small budget, and you just go from there And I've I've seen projects made for barely anything you know, just for a couple of $1000 just cause they're like, I want to get this out. It's a good story, and they they borrow as much as they can. They, you know, take their credit cards and they rank him up, rack em up to as much as possible, and they use their credit cards as the budget itself.

Graham:   50:48
Uh, that's that's a brave thing to do.

Couch Dad:   50:54
Yeah, very one of my favorite books is book called Rebel Without a Cause, and It's written by Robert Rodriguez. Hey is the director of Desperados, Once upon a Time in Mexico, but the first movie did was El Mariachi. I love that movie. Mariachi was done for barely anything, and he did clinical studies and scientific like medical testing for about a year to raise the money to do the El Mariachi.

Graham:   51:27
And that's still one of my favorite movies made like I and I don't want it to be any better in quality than what it was and what it is,

Couch Dad:   51:38
You never know what? The budget.

Graham:   51:39
Yeah. What's when you watch list right now,

Couch Dad:   51:45
But of men. So there's so many things on the watch list, and, uh, you know, I try to keep up with some of the current shows with my Hulu TV subscription, which has been great, but I actually have little fires everywhere is on my watch list. I am right in the middle of Tiger King on Netflix

Graham:   52:11
theme. In the middle of that, I

Couch Dad:   52:17
just finished up gentrified on a flex also. And I am getting back into my Brockmeyer, which is a great show from I f C that you can actually watch on Hulu

Graham:   52:30
Brockmeyer. Oh, isn't that with my boy? What's his name? Uh,  

Couch Dad:   52:34
Hank Azaria

Graham:   52:35
Yes. Yeah, yeah. What haven't I haven't. I've been watching that cause I remember when when it was coming out and Hulu  was making a scene out of it like you needed to. Wow. Isn't that the one where he's like a sport, a sportscaster or something?

Couch Dad:   52:55
So So he's a sportscaster that ends up going down the drain like he finds out that his wife is cheating on him, and it's a huge orgy kind of deal. And that's how he finds out, because he walked in on it. And he has a complete and utter meltdown on the air as a sportscaster for Major League Baseball eso. But then what happens is that after he completely has his meltdown, he becomes famous as a viral video. Oh, about his meltdown. So he doesn't know this. He ends up going to Mexico and he's on drugs and he's complete alcoholic. And he doesn't know that when he finally gets a call back to some minor league team called the Frackers because, you know, he has no idea he's a Internet sensation. Oh God. So he's finding all this out and he makes that showman hankers area is hysterical. He is a comedy genius. That show started off as a funny or die skit for five minutes, making fun of Joe Buck, and now it's going into its fourth season. So I mean and it's It's hysterical. He goes from complete down in the dumps two you know, drinking every day or, you know, trying. Thio do every drug imaginable to see if he gets fired. Two complete sober realization. And some of the guys were like, You know, I'm not sure if I like you drunk or so I actually think you're meaner, sober his whole story. It's it's hysterical. It's a lot of fun. And the lines in that movie, I mean, they're they're comedic lines that you'll remember forever. And I'll give you one just one because and he's he's doing the sportscast. And he's a little mad at the city that he's doing the sportscast in, which is in Tampa, and he just he turns to the audience and he just looks around and goes, You know what? Florida pop the cyst one day and they called it Tampa. I died in Tampa, friends in Tampa, and every time they pissed me off, I send them that clip.

Graham:   55:35
But that is such a quick little thing, but it tells you everything. 

Couch Dad:   55:45
Yeah, it tells you everything and the writinis phenomenal because that's the kind of comedic lines you get. And it's not just from his character, but it's from all the other characters, too. They're all hysterical, and they have. It's so well written, very well  written, so it's definitely a show that's on my watch list. I'm gonna keep watching. And if you want to catch up, all three seasons are on Hulu and the Four Seasons just started there.

Graham:   56:12
And what was the length of the episodes? 30 minutes

Couch Dad:   56:16
there, 30 minutes. It's 1/2 hour show.

Graham:   56:18
Beautiful, Beautiful. It's sort of that show. Remember, Justin, we had sort of that kind of epiphany with the Kominsky method. We passed on the Komisnsky method several times because, you know, two old dude or whatever. And then one day we decided to watch it, and we're like, Yeah, we have to make an episode about this. This

Couch Dad:   56:41
is That's a good one, too, for sure. But let me tell you, Brockmeyer is definitely one of the shows that I watched when the kids go to sleep, because the last thing I need is for my kids to walk in and be like, What is he snorting? and be like Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You know, you get into a really awkward position, where is like he was snorting something. But it's not what you think it is. I

Jocelyn:   57:10
had a cold, and it was medicine  

Couch Dad:   57:13
whose medicine work. He started something.

Couch Dad:   57:18
But it wasn't exactly a drug. It was actually a pill for his girlfriend that she had to chop up. But it's not a drug.

Graham:   57:27
It's best not to get into that conversation. Really? Conversation. It's all right. Well,

Couch Dad:   57:36
there's a few that I have on my list right there.

Graham:   57:39
You've you You've pointed us into some very good stuff, right?

Jocelyn:   57:44
Yes. Yes, I I

Graham:   57:47
pressure. I'm gonna start. I've been, for some reason, addicted to some very old ass shows that I'm finding on on Britbox. And right now, I've been watching MI5 It is, like a really mean Yeah, it's It's like my son's agents about 18 1919 years old. And it's, you know, 19 years ago doesn't seem so distant until you see how we used to dressed in the haircuts. We had any cell phones, the heavens, like Oh, that's when the flip phone was freaking awesome. I was right there. Yes, yes, you know, And the this guy could text in everything. So this is our shows that I can put on pause and go on for for something like Brock markers. You know, when you have so many seasons off one show to watch. It gets boring. You need a laugh or something like

Couch Dad:   58:56
that. Yeah, that's Ah, that's a thing. After a long, long day with the kids and and with everything going on, I've been more focused on watching some comedy stuff. So Brockmeyer has been on there gentrified, which is also a bit of comedy and a bit of drama, which is a new show on Netflix s O. I actually finished that one up last night and I hate when they do this. Man, they left me on a cliffhanger. Uh, I

Graham:   59:25
always been against that. If a show is gonna last a whole year before it comes back to shoot and put on a cliffhanger, Come on.

Couch Dad:   59:33
I know. But you know what? It was a good cliffhanger because it was not expected for a show that it's a big comedy and it's a bit drama, but and it's a heartfelt family type of show, like it would be okay if my kids were watching it, but it just left me on like a bit of a quick thing where I was just like, Wait, what's happening to the main guy now you just don't know. You get an idea, but you're just You're just like, Well, I guess I'm definitely gonna be watching this when it comes back out. E have to know.

Graham:   1:0:06
Yeah, yeah. I mean, but they shouldn't. This shouldn't take so long to bring shows, backers. What they've done to us with with some of the shows with cliffhangers is almost torture.

Couch Dad:   1:0:22
It's true. And especially with the binge watching audience that you have, you think that that goes away like that So many people are just like you don't know. I want to know. Now. you buy. Netflix will et you do that. Netflix does not allow you to. For whatever reason, I'm not sure what it is, but they do a lot of shows that have cliffhangers, and they and they leave it until you have to come back. You know, a year for almost a year and 1/2 later because they hope that you're gonna forget everything. And re watched the last season just to get you up,

Graham:   1:1:02
which was just what I've done, I mean, with with altered carbon is what I'm doing right now. I'm really watching the entire friggin thing before lunch into the second season

Couch Dad:   1:1:12
have to because you forgot everything that happened with altered car. Yeah. I mean, that's not exactly an easy show to keep thing.

Graham:   1:1:21
And then now with marquee on it, you know, being Takashi Cash, he has taken, like, six forms now. Amazing. Amazing Hirscher. Yeah. Um So here's here's what What I'd like to and forgive me for putting you on the spot there. Would you come back with those? At least I don't know. Once a month or so in which let let's let's give this conversation going.

Couch Dad:   1:1:58
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'd love to. I love to come back as a regular and we can pick out something new to to discuss. I know we discussed a few things then. Now that your audience knows me a little bit more, they got to know a little bit about my background, and we got to talk about some details in video production in movie production. Uh, next next time around, we could just jump into a few shows and a few movies that were watching.

Graham:   1:2:25
Fantastic. I think that's a fantastic idea. It's a good idea. And of course we Jocelyn I know I know you. You open to it. We are all available to guest on Couch Dad's When are phenomenal. Get started.

Graham:   1:2:44
Basically, we're inviting ourselves. T I

Couch Dad:   1:2:48
wouldn't see it any other way. I mean, you can't come to my couch now because my couch does not have enough room to have one person plus six feet plus another person, not that big of a couch.

Graham:   1:3:03
You have to get a big sectionals.

Couch Dad:   1:3:11
But maybe we could. We could do virtual quote on cool couches that are six feet apart.

Graham:   1:3:19
Well, George de Moya, it's It's been an absolute delight to have you or kicking. It's trimming. You have bean. You know, I'm gonna put it up there best guest so far to the point where we are. Like think. I mean, I percent rethinking the whole idea of not having a guest every time, But obviously not all of them are gonna be like you. So wait to see what was the only guest way are we are ever so grateful to you for for being on, on on on our podcast and

Jocelyn:   1:4:05
thanks for  spending Saturday time with us.

Graham:   1:4:08
Yes. Yes. Much success to couchdad's podcast. When? In April. We are awaiting the launch and we'll be right there behind your men. Pushing it through.

Couch Dad:   1:4:25
Sounds great, man. Thank you so much. Graham and Joe Joe, for having me on love. Kicking and streaming Keep listening to kicking in a stream And they always got some of the best content out there with the most up to date movies and reviews. I love listening to you guys, so keep it up

Graham:   1:4:42
Means a lot. Thank you so much then. So we are going to say goodbye, my friends, You know where to find us. We are on all the social media out their twitter instagram phrasebook, keen interest. And of course, you will find our home base, which is kickin and streamin podcast. You can find me on Instagram as mrpuzzetta m r p u z z e t t a. And of course, you can find Jocelyn at

Jocelyn:   1:5:18

Graham:   1:5:20
all right. And my friend George is also on instagram and Twitter as couch Dad's broadcast. Also, you can follow 90 miles productions that's 90 miles Mediums or 90 miles media and of course, ATF. Winston. Yeah, and I felt body cast net. It's also bad. You can follow him on everywhere you confined. If you just surge George de Moya, you will find him there and give him a follow and follow couch out. But guys, be on the lookout for the 1st 5 episodes coming. Sure. Yes, that's correct. Yeah, well, and so, my friends, thank you very much for listening today. Thinking, George. Thank you, Georgia. Thank

Graham:   1:6:11
you, everybody. Thank you.