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May 12, 2020
Ep. 62.- Reviewing Netflix's "Extraction" With Special Guest Jorge de Moya

On this episode of Kickin' & streamin' Podcast, Graham and Jocelyn are joined by Jorge de Moya of Couch Dads Podcast to review Netflix original movie Extraction, starring Chris Hemsworth along with a magnificent cast of Bolly...

On this episode of Kickin' & streamin' Podcast, Graham and Jocelyn are joined by Jorge de Moya of Couch Dads Podcast to review Netflix original movie Extraction, starring Chris Hemsworth along with a magnificent cast of Bollywood stars. Graham started by admitting his low expectations of the movie prior to watching and how he ended up being pleasantly surprised with the technical achievements of the movie. Jorge dived into the technical aspects of the making of the movie; which involved the "one shot" technique, and how it has become prevalent in the making of action movies. Graham, Jocelyn and Jorge talked about this movie being directed by Sam Hargrave, a stunt director famous for coordinating stunts for the Avengers movies. Jocelyn and Graham pondered why it wasn't more frequent to see stunt coordinators take the leap into directing movies given the fact they're the ones responsible to deliver the actions we attribute to the actors who most of the time don't participate in the stunt performance at all. Graham, Jocelyn, and Jorge touched on some of the negative criticism the movie has received accusing it of being just another "white savior" flick. Jorge and Jocelyn agree the film's plot is a lot more complex to be categorized as a "white savior" film, and to do so was flat out absence of nuance on the part of the critics in question. Jorge & Jocelyn don't expect a lot of Hollywood accolade for the technical achievements in this film, mainly because it was made for a streaming service provider and not for theatrical release. If you like this episode, please rate us on your podcast player, and subscribe for future episodes. Subscribe to our YouTube channel, follow us on social media on Faceboook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pinterest. You can also support the show by becoming a Patron on our Patreon page where you'll become eligible for our exclusive patrons-only contents. Finally, we'd like you to visit our merchandise store on Teespring where you can purchase our beautiful and stylish t-shirts, pullover, and mug. 


Graham :   0:00
We're gonna talk all about it because, you know, I, uh I was weird. I actually watched it because you you you mentioned you wanted to talk about it, right? Uh, yeah. And Jocelyn. I mean, I never even mentioned that movie, too, because it was like, another  Netflix movie. You know, it was one of those Friday nights that I'm like. Okay, So since George wants to talk about this movie, let me let me look at it, You know? I mean, cause I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't expecting much, but it differently went a little beyond what I was expecting. And I was really like her. Look at this. And of course, the puppy is barking. So you guys will excuse me for a moment held. I know where it is.  

Jocelyn:   0:56
Diva puppies

Graham :   0:57
Diva  puppies.  On that note, then let's begin.  

Intro:   1:04
This is kickin' and streamin' podcast, a binge watcher's guide to streaming movies. TV series on stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn.  

Graham :   1:19
Hello, everyone. And welcome to another episode of kicking and streaming. My name is Graham in today in the Fantastic Company via Skype of my co-Host the Great Jo Jo and returning for a second round is Mr Couch. Dad. Podcast. Jorge De Moya. Hello there.

Jorge de Moya:   1:42
How low, everybody? Hey, Jo Jo. Hey, guys. How are you doing?  

Jocelyn:   1:46
We managed to not scare you off last time,

Jorge de Moya:   1:49
are you kidding? I only took my anxiety meds earlier. The u CBD gummies that my wife has lying around

Graham :   2:09
that is not so bad. Next time we definitely have to be in the same studio show. At least we share, so I'm glad to hear that. Everybody's okay, George. I believe that on in your state the stay at home orders have been lifted. Ain't it?

Jorge de Moya:   2:30
Oh, well, yes. In the state of Florida, the stay at home orders have been lifted. But that does not mean that the state of Miami

Graham :   2:42
it's a state of its own is

Jorge de Moya:   2:46
Yes, Miami still has a little bit of the stay at home order. They they still have reopened much in Miami because people are from Miami and they continue to go out and they continue to go on their boats. And as soon as they open, reopen some of the marinas. There were, like, five boats on fire, a walker 300 boat trailers in line to get in the only allowed, like, 100 K five oclock in the morning. So, you know, we we don't understand  

Graham :   3:24
hashtag Florida

Jorge de Moya:   3:29
you can thank you could you could hashtag only in Dade. Because that's what we call it.  

Graham :   3:35
Oh hashtag Only in  Dade,  That's better.

Jorge de Moya:   3:36
Yeah. Good old Dade County. You don't think I mean you go to @onlyindade on Instagram. You're welcome!

Graham :   3:46
Alright. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna follow it. Kiki,

Jorge de Moya:   3:50
please do tell you it is the funniest thing you'll ever see. Oh, my way. We

Jorge de Moya:   3:55
could all use a laugh, so exactly

Graham :   3:58
Yeah, that is definitely a good thing to have a laugh. And so yeah, today we are talking about extraction. A very I want to call it a very sensational little movie on Netflix Came out on April the 24th starring Chris Hemsworth. I have always had a hard time saying this dude's last name him. Swear if

Jocelyn:   4:25
I keep thinking they should be an l in it. I try always definite... like I'm turning him into Mayonnaise or something

Jorge de Moya:   4:36
Are you sure ,Jojo  That's not because the l is like you trying to say that I love you. It is the only way I could ever get my wife to sit down and watch this movie. You know who's in it, honey? Thor,  Thor's in it. Yeah, I watch.

Jocelyn:   4:56
Oh, that's pretty good. I have to say I'm a little bit of a fan of the Hemsworth brothers, so Yeah. Yeah. I don't know many people that aren't honestly, so

Jorge de Moya:   5:08
I will be honest. I'm a big fan of Hemsworth  too

Jocelyn:   5:11
e. I was gonna say I kind of feel like that. There's there's a kind of, ah, man's man and also the woman's woman woman's man type factor going on there. So yes, somebody that you kinda feel like, no matter what, you could probably sit down and have a beer with and a laugh.  

Jorge de Moya:   5:29
Right. Well, I mean, I joke with, uh, with my wife all the time. Good. You know, 10 years married three kids, you know, she goes, would you kick him out of your house? I go. Absolutely not. Gotta be honest. Uh, not even, like, you know, just No, I would not kick him out.

Jocelyn:   5:52
Yeah, he just seems like a good guy.

Graham :   5:58
Alright, Helmsworth, I'm back  

Jorge de Moya:   6:01
We're back. Okay.  

Jocelyn:   6:03
And we're back.

Graham :   6:03
Damn, man is amazing. Yeah, Yeah, 19 year old that doesn't understand that he needs to give the bloody dog with him so that it doesn't bark. So I had to deal with the puppy and a 19 year old. But I think we're contained now. Uh, yet, Jorge, you know, the whole fun dad thing is, you know, wait till yours hit the teens, man is gonna... yeah, it stops being funny. He

Jorge de Moya:   6:34
believe me when I tell you this My six year old, I feel like she's already 15 or 16. She comes up to me and goes, Dad, can you record a Tik Tok ***? What woman would do What now? Yeah. Record a tik tok? Uh, no. Five minutes later, there I am recording a tick tock.

Graham :   6:57
Oh, so you do it?

Jorge de Moya:   6:59
 Of course I do it because you know it's the girl. I'm a big old softy.  I'm the daddy.

Graham :   7:04
not a monster, Right? Monster. Alright, so um let me ask you this, but to just start before we get into everything else.  What did you all think of this movie? Let's start, Jojo, what did you think of it?

Jocelyn:   7:25
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I am enjoying this sort of pendulum swing which George was mentioning earlier. It's a swing towards instead of a whole lot of flashy effects with the guns, sort of the John Wick style of just going in and blowing everybody's head off essentially, um, so I kind of enjoyed that because it's kind of like at some point in some of the older action movies, you're like, Oh, come on, Would you just shoot on? Nowadays it's It's more along the lines of Yeah, let's let's do that. Let's get that job done That needs to be done So it's extremely violent. ITT's very graphic. It's very bloody, but I enjoyed the story behind it. I found the action scenes very good, very realistic and gritty. And, uh, it was just a I hate to say, fun movie when so many people died. But it was a fun movie.

Graham :   8:17
Now, come on. It was fun.

Jocelyn:   8:22
Trying to be a little sensitive

Graham :   8:26
in Jorge, Of course. I'm assuming I know you liked it cause you you actually wanted to talk about it. So tell me all about

Jorge de Moya:   8:35
Well, it really starts off with that. This was one of those movies. I was on my cue for the Couch Does podcast And on my cue to do a review on and after watching it, I wanted to do more than just a review on it. And I was like, You know what? I need to call. I need to call Joe, Joe and Graham. I need to get you know, them talking about this this movie, too, because it has so many cool action sequences. And it has a lot of film jargon within those action sequences that that I find fascinating. Doing these. What's called oner shots, which is these very long takes; they're like 12 to 15 minutes long takes. And when you're doing it with an action sequence. On top of that, I mean the behind the scenes footage. It just makes it even better while you're watching the film to know that this entire time there's literally a man on the hood of a go-kart strapped in with, like safety straps and a mini camera going through the streets and capturing this, these footage. I mean, it's just really free really freakin cool to see all that. I love the movie. I'm a big action guy. I love doing, you know, action stunt movies and all that kind of stuff. So I was just like I was thrilled when I saw the trailer for this movie. I took a look to see who was directing it, because I was always I'm always curious about that kind of stuff. And it is actually a guy by the name of Sam Hargrave. He's the stunt coordinator for Avengers of In Game and Avengers. Civil War. Okay, this is his first time directing. So he is a stunt coordinator usually. And here he is, directing a Netflix show produced by the Russo brothers. And then they get Thor to do it. I mean, come on. It must have been hanging out. I'm doing over special effects on Avengers and been like, you know, it would be really fun if we got rid of all these damn special effects. And we did a real action. movie

Graham :   10:41
Yeah, Yeah. Then that that must have been the way the conversation went. Like you guys tired of all these green screen shit. Let's just do something where we get hurt.

Jorge de Moya:   10:53
Tired of these damn CGI Can we Can we do some actual, you know, like fight sequences and you know where I'm not hitting somebody with Thor with a hammer versus, you know actually taking him out with a sniper rifle, you know, like, let's do something really and gritty And I loved it. I loved

Graham :   11:14

Jocelyn:   11:16
I thought it You thought it was really interesting that when I read that the director was, Ah, stunt a stunt man himself and ah, you know Ah, a stunt coordinator. I was like, That's a really interesting take a different eye on an action movie. Like he he knows all of the ins and outs and what it makes to make a fight scene look real. So what better person to direct an action movie than somebody who coordinates the fights and is involved in them himself?

Jorge de Moya:   11:44
And you think you would think it's more done? Jo Jo, You would think that they do that more often, but it's actually a very rare thing for a guy to go from stunt coordinator to director.

Jocelyn:   11:57
It's It's a shame, you know, it's it's kind of like I don't like a snob club or something,

Graham :   12:04
and that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask, Why do you think that doesn't happen often Because, as Jocelyn said these people that are the stunt coordinator are like the ones who are at risk who know the risk. So who better to direct in action movie than somebody who is in the action himself? While you know the dude that's getting paid, all the money goes and sits back in his trailer,

Jorge de Moya:   12:28
you know, I really think it has to do with the producers behind it. E. I think that's where it comes in because Joe Russo is the wrote the screenplay, based on a graphic novel called Ciudad, and Joe Russo is the director for Avengers, and Sam Hargrave was his stunt coordinator, so he probably was like, Do you want to direct something that's a little bit more? Really? I'll let you direct it. I think it's just about that relationship they had, because other directors that have done sequences like this are very good, and they use the same stunt coordinator. But it's never like the jump of stuff. Coordinator to director. You know, they have a good relationship. At least here was more of I think Joe Russo was just like I want you to direct it. He gave him that shot,

Graham :   13:23
very generous of him. If that's the case,

Jocelyn:   13:25
I think it's. I think it's just him being generous and knowing that there was a good product here and just supporting it and right place right time. Because if it's not this stunt coordinator from the Avengers on set with him for who knows how long, doing those movies, you know, they would have never built that relationship.  

Graham :   13:49
So it sounds like we're talking about a very special kind of movies. Ain't it?

Jorge de Moya:   13:53
I think so. I mean, it is a special kind of movie, because usually you would see these in the theaters, right? Usually did you be all hyped up in theaters? But it went straight to Netflix,

Graham :   14:04

Jocelyn:   14:05
Well, I was. I was thinking when I was watching it too,  watching Chris Hemsworth in it, that this is the kind of movie that, as Jorge just said, would you would expect a huge Hollywood premiere and, ah, you know, a lot of build up to it. And it came out on Netflix. And I think it's one of Netflix's biggest movies currently maybe their biggest open ever, I think, and it makes me think of of sort of Hollywood history, how, like the old movie stars you know back in the in the forties in the fifties didn't want to do television. There was like a stigma against doing television of your career is over if you do TV and you know that kind of that eventually changed. And there's just a good television. Actors, of course, is there are movie actors, so I think there's kind of ah, a swing. Maybe in the Hollywood actors and going, Hey, we can put just as much, uh, look a good product, good content, have as much of a reach and and be able to act the way we want too. You know the kind of product we want to put out with streaming as we could with a big budget Hollywood movie.

Graham :   15:09
Yeah, I think it's definitely blurring the line between between one thing and the other and just becoming films. Being films as opposed to This is a made for TV movie or made for streaming service movie and made for Hollywood because there is nothing. these movie but up from what From what I saw, and Jorge, of course, you can amplify now, but from what I saw, this movie has nothing to envy anything that is big screen bound. And in fact, as Jocelyn said it could have well being in movie with a theatrical release.

Jorge de Moya:   15:45
Oh definitely, and sometimes with these action sequence, people complain about the plot. You know that the plot wasn't as significant or and I was like the plot was pretty basic and a simple plot for an action movie, but it didn't need to be complicated. You know, it's a mercenary that's in the middle of a, you know, massive drug battle that's going on, and he's trying to extract an asset. That's it just so happens that the asset is a kid and, you know, a Hollywood movie like Bad Boys for Life. You know, that was released in theaters. And these both of these movies, they lack that plot. They lack that, you know, substance in the plotline, but they're both rated the same, and I was like had to spend millions of dollars in marketing in theaters. There's an extraction, didn't have to do that. They just throw it up on Netflix and they got the same reach.

Graham :   16:46
But is this is the story as simplistic as it sounds? I mean, I kind of I saw a bit even for an action hero, there was a huge amount of humanity behind it. And also there was. It's not always that the comedic portion of an action movie strikes a good balance. And here there was a load of, you know, laughable moments that were like perfect, you know, no cheesy, but but but rather perfect, like, Oh, damn, they managed to make this funny. That was good.  

Jorge de Moya:   17:23
You know, I think the hopefully this is in a spoilers. But when he gets on the phone, when Chris and Works character Tyler Rake jumps on the phone after a fight sequence and tells his commanding officer like, You know, you need to get me out of here we just finished battling the Goonies from hell. That is a hysterical moment, so smart and it just it was. It was uncharacteristic, almost, Yeah, what they gave you a glimpse into his personality, the character's personality that you know. He had that humanity to him, that he was a little bit of a dad kind of jokester. And then I started thinking, you know, he's got a little bit of a dad vibe with him, you know? Why is that? And as the movie goes along. Then you see why he's so protective of the asset and why he feels the way he does for that kid.

Graham :   18:24
Yeah. See, that wasn't it, wasn't that, you know, uh, nonchalant, there was there was a bit more off depth to to for me to most of the characters. Because this guy Raju... uh Saju Ray in the duty. First of all, what an actor this Indian dude is huh?  

Jorge de Moya:   18:47
Oh yeah, he was... I mean, in a great Bollywood actor, Just so you know. And I wonder Jojo, what do you think on this? I believe that the casting for this was perfect and by putting it on Netflix because you had a an American looking even I used from Australia on American looking action star against a Bollywood action star like he was, He's pretty big in India. And then you put it on Netflix. If you put that in theaters, you wouldn't have that reach.

Graham :   19:24
That is true.  

Jocelyn:   19:26
I agree. I agree. And I think I think, too, that it really showcased how good the Bollywood actors are since some of America's resistant to appreciating some of that. And I I also think that it I really enjoyed the facts that instead of having everyone speak English with an accent, that they just have them speak their native language. And there was subtitles. E mean there was some English, of course, No one in the third in there, But I enjoyed. I enjoyed that because I felt more immersed. I felt more like I was getting a real experience into India or Bangladesh. Uh, so I I enjoyed that part of it because so often I would go so far to say if this had been if this had had a Hollywood release, that they would have forced, maybe overdubbing, or to have the actress speak in accented English toe, make it so that Americans didn't have to repeat. Yeah,

Jorge de Moya:   20:25
well, what's good is that they also did what I love. And it is. It's a part of the couch. Dad's persona is that I watched everything with subtitles because if it's too loud, it wakes up the baby. Yes, so for me, it's like you know what? Go ahead. Use different languages, use different dialects of Indian languages, which was also in there. Have them speak a little bit British or Australian. It it doesn't matter to me because I have the subtitles

Graham :   20:58
Yeah. I mean, you're right,  the subtitles for me Have always been a little bit offer off a comfort blanket, if you will, Because, you know, I grew up watching movies that were in English already either subtitled in French or in in Spanish. And then later on, subtitle became like my way in, in fact, off getting better You know, the languages that I speak, right? So I like you say I watch everything, whether it's in English or whether it's any other language that I understand I always put subtitles that just just, you know, just because for some reason, so the idea, the fact that they didn't they didn't make it e a bunch of Hollywood actors in Bangladesh, and it was more like one or two couple of white dudes. And then most of the rest of the cast or the entire rest of the cast actually made out off Bangladeshi. It was a perfect thing to do for a Netflix movie and no, yeah, a big Hollywood release movie.

Jorge de Moya:   22:05
And and not to mention that guess what they've just announced. I mean, just this past week, was it got such a positive reaction. A sequel has been announced with the writers and the director attached to it and Chris Hemsworth in Talks to Return.  

Graham :   22:25
Oh Boy! Is that a good thing?

Jorge de Moya:   22:26
So, right off? You know, I say yes, because I feel like this could be, you know, like a little bit of a franchise for Netflix. Like an action franchise for Netflix, where the stories air different now it could involve the same mercenary and his kind of stories. What I would like to see is that the tackle, a different country or a different city. Next, there's something that I love in films, and that is when the city itself is it's own character. Director Woody Allen would do this all the time. Manhattan, Vicky Cristina, Barcelona. His films would have a city that would speak to you, and the city itself would almost be a character. And I felt like in this film for an action movie. The city is of Bangladesh, of Of of India was its own character. Everything that was going on within the city mattered to the characters and mattered to the story, so I hope that maybe if they do this again, they do it and I don't know Australia or they do it in. Let's say they do it in Jeez, I don't know. China, Japan. They do it in another city where it can highlight that city or that country.

Graham :   23:53
Yeah, yes, also. But that aside, I'm conflicted with the idea of, making of, making these sort of a bit of a franchise. What do you think Jojo?

Jocelyn:   24:07
It's difficult to say without giving away the ending, so that makes it a little difficult to comment on. I think as a franchise, it could certainly be very interesting to see. As George said, Ah, you know, maybe we could have like a team movie lives with different team members in different cities. You know, Could be prequels could be different times where things were happening. It doesn't necessarily have to be directly related to this movie. In terms of timeline, you get danced around it well enough. I think

Jorge de Moya:   24:46
it's so confusing. I don't know what what are we talking about again?

Graham :   24:49
You know, if that was the case, then I'm all for it because when you make a character like what's his name? Tyler. Rake off course, even though you get a glimpse at his past or his demons, or is his aches. You certainly would like to know a bit more about the story, right? So if they were to come back in, expand more on Tyler Rake in his earlier days, up until the moment of extraction, then I'm certainly I'm certain that they could make at least give us at least three more movies of those. What do you think Jorge?

Jorge de Moya:   25:27
I think so. I think it depends on how they do it. You're right, because if if it's a continuation, some people may not feel like that's okay. If it's a prequel, some people may be like, Well, what are they going to do now? Show us. You know that, Hey, you know his past were demons that he was fighting all along. But his past wasn't an accident. His past had meaning towards it. Wouldn't that be kind of cheesy for a prequel? I think so. So it depends on how they tackle it Now. The interesting thing is, what? What does the graphic novel look like with this, you know? Are there more pieces to the graphic novel of the graphic novel called Ciudad? Maybe there's like other additions to that graphic novel, and they're just going to take a different one. I'm not sure, because if if they're doing it based off that graphic novel I would love to see or hear or read about that graphic novel and its pieces. Does it have more pieces to it? Because we may not know exactly what direction they're going for. Maybe there's like 20 different additions of extraction, all with different players and always different people or with different timelines. Like you said, Um, whenever we just don't know,

Graham :   26:50
right? And just just throwing a ball out there, it could be that, you know, Rake was member of an Elite Team, and they choose to show you, you know, a story which with each one of those team members in and they started, the whole thing would rate. So you never know. I think I think there's quite a bit to do with it.

Jorge de Moya:   27:15
I think if that's the case, I think that would be the the funnest way for to go about Yes, Chris Hemsworth is returning, but he may not be returning as the main character in this in in the next you know sequel. He may just be, you know, passing by because he interacts with a new main character that's doing a difference extraction from a different timeline or a different story or whatever the case may be. But all I know is that in terms of action sequences, I think this has to be one of the better action movies I've seen in the past decade or so.

Graham :   27:56
Yeah, maybe we've given Netflix a whole lot of idea that they still haven't even thought about and listen to this little podcast. Take all the idea. We're running with it and never pay us for it. Saying,

Jocelyn:   28:13
Yeah, you're really see that happening.

Jorge de Moya:   28:17
Or they could just hire us and just call it a day.

Graham :   28:20
Forget Russo brothers and shit, hire Graham, Jojo and Jorge and done!. But yeah, Look, I said I wasn't expecting to have a lot of fun with this movie. In fact, I was expecting to sit there and make fun of the movie as opposed to have a fun, a lot of fun watching it. Did any of you have these kind of preconceived ideas of it? Like I know you saw the trailer, and it cold is sort of like had an impact on your but your film guy you think is your background So that I'm assuming it tells a story about for me. Yeah, it was like that. This is a cheesy action movie. I'm just gonna watch it to make fun of it. What did you think, Jocelyn?

Jocelyn:   29:13
Yeah, I I really wasn't quite sure what to expect. I I enjoy action movies. A good one. So I was hoping for a good one, and Ah, so I definitely think that it's it's one of those because, you know, I I like John Wick. I like, like a lot of the violent movies and and things like that. It gets course, sort of cathartic sometimes, but ah, but yeah, I I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't quite sure what to expect. Not really being, you know, familiar with the director, but intrigued with the idea that he was a stunt man himself. Yeah,

Jorge de Moya:   29:51
definitely. I mean, yeah, that the the fact that I have that film background for me all I had to hear Waas. You know, there is a action single take action sequence at last 11 minutes and 30 seconds, and I went well if the movie sucks. I am going to fast forward to that 11 minutes and 30 seconds. Watch that clip and then turn it off. So it's a good because I think that just to me is really cool. It's just one of those things I've seen it before, and I love when they do it. There's another action movie that I recommend called The Raid 2 That also has one of those kinds of action sequences, and you'll be happy to know it's also subtitled because it's a foreign film. But The Raid and The Raid 2 they have phenomenal action sequences with single takes. One of my favorite movies out there is Children of Men, which was directed by Alfonzo Cuaron, who's one of my favorite directors. He does a great single take action sequence in that movie. Yes, um, and then, of course, Birdman with Michael Keaton is known. Has one has another phenomenal singlet.

Graham :   31:12
That's another Cuaron movie, too. Oh, no, that's Gonzalez Inaritu  

Jorge de Moya:   31:16
That's Inarritu. Yeah, that is the Latin like the Latino filmmaker cult. I guess it is not a cult, but it's at the Latino connection that they have there's Inaritu Cuaron and Guillermo del Toro there, like these three Latin directors that are just they're phenomenal, in my opinion.

Graham :   31:39
So let me ask you a question about the the one take thing that seems to be getting so much more popular now where why do you think it's been adopted as a go to, especially for actions? Do you think the advent of one person shooting video games had may have had influence and that this is some, um, I overthinking this?

Jorge de Moya:   32:08
No, I actually think that's a very good point. The the concept of video games and that multiplayer mode. I mean, how they shot an entire movie from the first shooter point of view. I don't know if you ever saw that movie, God, What was it called? It was It was actually wasn't that great, unfortunately, but it's it's kind of like tapping into the current audience that love the single player, you know, point of view, shoot em up video games and so many people are getting that. Yes, thank you. Hardcore, Henry. Good call. But, you know, I think it started with, you know, in the nineties they had the steady cams. And when the steady cam first came out, which it came out 1976 with Rocky and a couple of other films doing that really cool action sequence where he's running up the steps and the camera was able to follow that as that technology evolved, they just kept going. Well, how can we push this right now? They're like, Well, weaken, strap a dude to a go cart and hold the camera And we could chase cars and we could chase, you know, action actors down alleyways all in one take. So they just keep continue to push the boundaries of what they can do with a Steadicam, and it just evolves from that.

Graham :   33:39
That's dope. It's really, really something. Because, of course, I think you're gonna If you start making action movie like that where the person watching the movie feels like there have some sort of participation in the movie, then you will need fewer gimmicks uh fewer  explosions that are like too cheesy. You know that that famous scene where the things start, you know the explosion happens, and then the actor started walking away in the It's a slow moving scene it like your little How cool I am would fire my background. E I'm always expected that shit like yeah, action movie? That will happen at some point. I'm waiting for it. Wait for it. Boom. Yeah, there it is. Like, Why the Why? Why? Why hasn't anybody thought? Yeah, maybe we've done enough of these. Oh,

Jorge de Moya:   34:41
yeah, No, it's one of those things. It's also a film thing. I mean, without the action sequences A fun, you know, fact is that Alfred Hitchcock did a on our and 20 minute film called Rope and like 1950 something. And I remember this from my film history class He did, and it almost an entire movie with one take. And he would constantly zoom to like a dark black object in order to do the film transition smoothly. Because at that time the cameras were only allowed to do a full take for 10 to 15 minutes long. But he would just continue every 10 minutes or so, he would zoom in on a dark object or something that would do the transition, and that would keep going.

Graham :   35:33
I can only imagine how much firewood they burn for that

Jorge de Moya:   35:38
I have no idea what a So it's just I guess it's like one of those fun things to do in film. If you could pull that off, you know those one shots you've kind of cemented yourself as you know, not just a movie guy or something. You're a filmmaker,

Graham :   35:58
all right, So let me ask you these in terms of accolades from Hollywood and for, you know, let's talk about then next award season. Do you think this movie will get its dues? Both of you think so Or is it gonna be one of those a Netflix movie? Forget 88. Where are Hollywood? We are. We don't think they deserve because you know that that has been the case. I mean, you know, I think, What's his name? That movie by Scorsese that he's directed last year was

Jocelyn:   36:34
the Irishman.

Graham :   36:36
The Irishman was nominated because of the people in it, but I don't think it was necessarily nominated because it was a Netflix movie. It was because you had Pacino, you had De Niro, you had Scorsese, you had Pesci. So you can You can't not nominate these people. But we do know that there is an actual bias against movies made for Netflix or Amazon, for that matter, in at least when it comes to Oscars and, you know, Academy Award stuff. So what do you think this movie does for the industry?  

Jorge de Moya:   37:13
Jojo, go ahead

Jocelyn:   37:13
I would be surprised if it was nominated for anything. It would be very cool, though, to see something to do with cinematography or editing. Maybe that's the most I could see happening. I don't see the director getting any accolades to start with because of the snobbery in Hollywood. And you know, Hollywood loves their dramas and their sob fests. Or I should say Oscars does so. But I could see, you know, sound editing or something along those lines happening.

Jorge de Moya:   37:53
No, I'm gonna say that it doesn't get nominated for anything. I love this movie, but it doesn't get a lick of any kind of a nomination. It's It's not a war epic like 19 17. It doesn't have multiple Hollywood actors in it unless they surprisingly decide which which I've heard, has been rumored a little bit that they would actually put together a stunt. Korir grabbed me and I could stunt coordinator award for the Academy Awards versus Virginia Exactly versus just special effects because they're completely different. You know, of course, Star Wars and Adventures has great special effects. And, you know, of course, a great film like Marie Antoinette is great for makeup and hair style and costume design. But what about the just the basic directing, blocking or stunt choreograph? You know, stunt choreographed fights? There's a lot of detail to those things, and there's a lot of creativity. You know, if you have a main character fighting in an elevator, you know, how do  you block that. How do you shoot that? That takes a lot of creativity. And for some of these action movies that think outside the box, yes, there should be an award for something like that. But I doubt they'll ever do it, because that just means, you know, the next Blade movie gets nominated for an Academy road, and they're like, way have vampires in the award ceremony. You can only have the guys from Irishman as the vampires.

Graham :   39:43
Yeah, that is, That's a That's a view, really is like, you know, you are not going to do this. We're not going to legitimize certain certain genre or something like that. But you know the most in the most important thing is they forget how we are enjoying in how we like. We've been 45 minutes almost geeking over these particular movie and eso we the ones who pay for it, the ones who who's critical point of view actually says something to the point to the point of a sequel being in talks, you know, we would very much like it if if they were more considered towards these genre own type of movie. Um, I wanted to talk about the critical response and some of the negative criticism about this movie, and I, uh, I never saw like when I watched this movie, I never saw it as you know what many have categorized as just another "white savior" type of story. But that seems to have been one of the main criticism of it. Ah, Variety called the film "a white savior version of Man On Fire. Screen Rant said that "the film's regressive white savior element drag it, dragged it down". Um, Sheryl, Khala of the South African, said extraction reminds me of a game I once played, perhaps on PlayStation three many moons ago, the memory feels vague. So was, is any of that criticism fair?

Jorge de Moya:   41:43
I don't think it's fair, though I can understand the criticism because that has that concept has been over used. You know, The White Saviour concept in action movies has definitely have been overused. But if they really watch the movie, is Tyler Rake really the hero in this? That is it. The of character, you know, is it exactly is it you know, the other character that comes to the rescue in Not just for the for the for the boy, but also for him, for his family, but also for Rake and for his family. And he, you know, I'm not to get I'm not gonna give anything away. No spoilers. But he puts himself in vulnerable positions to make sure that baking, you know, get away and that they can continue the mission. He's the real hero behind it, so it's kind of like I don't buy the White Saviour thing on this one. You have to watch this film to really see that it's not just about Chris Hammond was worth character Tyler Rake, saving the day There's more to it than that.

Jorge de Moya:   43:00
So it's sort of a little bit of a myopic take on the movies. You will. What do you think, Jojo?

Jocelyn:   43:08
I I I can understand the criticism, but I also agree with with George that it's something that you need to watch to fully understand. I would definitely agree that the character of Saju is much more of a hero. Um, I would even put forth that Ovi is a hero himself. There's a scene between the actor Chris Hemsworth and David Harbour, and you know, the child. The asset kind of takes some of the responsibility into his own hands for his, for his safety. And I thought that was a great scene in a very powerful scene and showed a lot about the strength of character of the child of the asset. And I think it's more nuanced than just white savior. I think it needs a little more credit than that.

Graham :   44:02
Absolutely, because he's is what what I think about a savior. A savior is actually in act of kindness with a sense of altruism, and when you're getting paid about a bunch of money to go, just get a kid out of out of captivity. I don't think you are much of a savior. He may have turned himself into a savior when he was given the orders to: "Hey, man. We're done" and he's like, No, that's what I was paid to do. But still, he was honoring what he was paid to do, as opposed to. I'm just going to save this kid so e. I think it's Ah, it's a It's a bit too near sighted and a lot off lack of nuance, as Jocelyn said on the part of it of the critics in that respect.

Jorge de Moya:   44:58
 if you want, if you want Academy Award winning movies that are definitely white savior Red Flag in that sense and they're still very good flicks. But it has that nuanced just nailing it over your head over and over again is ah, the blind side and green book for I mean, come on. That is, as you know, nailing over and over in the head with a nails as white skippers. Utkan freaking get yes, is as glare possible. Not, you know, this movie extraction. That's an action sequence with multiple, you know, heroic moments from different characters

Jocelyn:   45:44
because I e. I mean, you even have and in thinking about it to you even have the character of Nick Con totally discounts her on her actions. And that's, you know, that's irritating because she, uh, she she was about us.

Graham :   45:59
She is. She was mad. She was like, Yo, she did that? Neat. And finally, before we start wrapping up, I want to talk about some of the criticism of the movie in terms of the portrayal, the negative portrayal that people complained a lot about the inaccurate portrayal of Bangladesh. We see that a lot, but If you watch a movie like this, would you, as the viewer think, but remind me to never set foot in Bangladesh is anymore? Or would you think every city has a bad side? But, you know, it's worth going, you know? I mean, like, is that what it takes? I guess my question is for you to swear off I'm never gonna visit this place because of this movie.

Jorge de Moya:   47:02
No, it just flat out. No, let's also look at that. We cannot look at all these films with just a book cover. You have to look at the depth off course the film is set in a rougher part of the neighborhood of Bangladesh because of Look who the main villain is. He's a frickin drug lord, you know, Con man or whatever. The alley was bad guy, like he's scum e. He's just He's not exactly, you know, the Prince of India right now. He's he's, ah, horrible person. And so, of course, it's set in a rougher part of the neighborhood. Yeah, you gotta look at the characters that you're there, and it's much easier to move around. If you're trying to hide, you would go hide somewhere where you're not to be found, which would be in these kinds of neighborhoods if you're trying to get away. Where are you gonna go, to The most expensive hotel in the city who are going to try to hide in the suburbs?

Graham :   48:20
Yeah. Will you also know that you can buy protection? Because I can. You can go into any poor neighborhood instead, he a more crashed year. Some people looking for me, he has money here. Some guns go out there and don't let anybody in as opposed to, you know, go to the Waldorf Astoria and tell reception. Yeah, If anybody looking for me, I'm here

Jorge de Moya:   48:47

Jocelyn:   48:49
yeah, I think it comes down to it. It's a movie, Um, and anybody who writes their travel logs based on movies, this is either gonna be wildly disappointed or or horribly murdered at some point, you know, I mean, you can take New York is an example. It's not all Gangsters, you know, mobsters. It's not all the mob in Mafia. There's some pretty scary parts of New York. There's some beautiful parts in New York. So is whatever. It's a movie.

Graham :   49:22
Yeah, and by the way, it's all about reputation. And if you go to places based on the reputation that you see in movies and shit. Okay, so the only place in my life well, I've ever been shot at is in the like, most peaceful country that people tend to believe it's like some kind of angels paradise. And it was in Bern, Switzerland. So and I've been through some pretty rough places and shit. So there you have.  

Jocelyn:   50:00
Well, there you go. Remind me to never go to Switzerland taking away from this movie.

Jorge de Moya:   50:04
I am never going to Switzerland, but it s own. I thought they were so neutral.

Graham :   50:11
I most I must I must also add to that that I was at a bar, that he was mainly Dominicans and Italians. So there was, and there was there was a rivalry shit going on between the Dominican and Italians. I'm just saying so. Yes. Switzerland is still safe. Just keep away from Dominicans, beefing with Italians.  

Jocelyn:   50:37
You saying that? I mean, that is just proof of the fact that there is a scary part of any city or any country that you go to or there's a safe part absolute someplace, you know? So yeah. No, if you again if you base your travel log off of movies, you're done s  

Graham :   50:58
so extraction is actually a pretty good movie. And I'm very glad that we have our own in house expert, Jorge de Moya, of  Couch Dadpodcast who came and sort of deciphered all of the technicalities of these the making of this movie for us. It's good to have your own film, you know, film, production geek in the book. And yes, I'm gonna continue calling you a geek.

Jorge de Moya:   51:28
I would want nothing else. Okay. So ever since the Big Bang theory, we can actually now support that word.

Graham :   51:42
Where is that?  wear it as a badge of honor

Jorge de Moya:   51:46
wear it is a badge of honor. Exactly.

Graham :   51:48
So couch dad podcasts is under on the making, right?

Jorge de Moya:   51:55
Yes. Yes. Going to be available in the next couple days. So definitely take a listen anywhere you get your podcasts. Also, you can follow me on instagram at couch Deads podcast or on Twitter at @CouchdadPod.

Graham :   52:12
And you go there, you have it.  And Jocelyn tell people were to find you on the social media.

Jocelyn:   52:19
I am Jocelyn podcast on the instagrams, and that's well, all the only places I am at the moment.

Graham :   52:25
is the only place you'll find.  

Jocelyn:   52:28
Yeah, She's She's reclusive.  

Graham :   52:30
Yeah, trust me, trust me on this. But I've almost gotten on my own my knees and beg for at least a Pinterest page and nothing but hey, man, nothing way. You will find us on Instagram as kicking instrument underscore podcast and off course on Twitter we are kicking n streaming and on Facebook we also kicking instrument. So wherever you go fighting even as long as you say kicking its German, you forget the G's just kicking ends German, you Good

Jocelyn:   53:07
grams. The only Gs you need

Graham :   53:12
once again. So thank you very much, my friend Jorge de Moya, for coming over. We promise would have you once once a month. And this is second time in consecutively. We've had you and we'll have more of you off course as long as you are available.

Jorge de Moya:   53:32
Oh, absolutely. And I would love to Come on. And I would say that maybe towards the end of May, beginning of June, there is a TV show that I am dying to watch starring Steve Carell. And it is called Space Force on Netflix. If there's anywhere that I'm gonna talk about this this movie, if you haven't seen the trailer, please go watch it. It looks hysterical. I would love to come on kicking and streaming and discuss this show when

Jocelyn:   54:04
I can't. I can't wait for this one. Either

Jorge de Moya:   54:06
course will do that. By the way, by the way, after the first episode, you were on as soon as I finished with finished recording the episode. I started Brockmeyer and I didn't stop until I was done with the last season on is one of the most rewarding things I've ever watched in my life. So thank you for that. Yes. Yes. And they'll be going losing anybody too much. All right, so for me, for just chillin for George De Moya, this is goodbye. Thank you very much for being with us. Everyone. We'll see you next time by